Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Term Limits -- Yes or No?

On various occasions I've seen the call for the American people to enact term limits for politicians.

While I can understand the desire to limit the time a person can spend in office, I wondered if legislation was the right approach.

So, in my first "soap box" post, I will tell state that I don't think term limits are a good idea.

First, we would see good politicians (yes, there are a few) affected as well as bad politicians. Isn't that something we rail about in gun control laws, Except in gun control the laws usually impact the law abiding more then the criminals. I'm not sure that would be the case of term limits, I think there are more bad or mediocre politicians that will be effected then good ones. Still, the idea is one size doesn't fit all. That is one of the aspects I can't agree with, having statutory time constraints would limit our freedom to choose who we want to represent us. Not being able to vote for someone is a limitation of our right to choose. Besides, we already have term limits, if we choose to use them. Simply vote the bums out of office.

There are also some other drawbacks to the idea of term limits that aren't as readily apparent. There is a learning curve on how to be an effective politician. If we never let the politicians stay in office long enough to figure it out, we will always be saddled with people trying to learn their job instead of doing it. Most term limits would allow each individual office holder long enough to learn their jobs, but the institutional memory and effective would suffer. We need people who have been there long enough to teach the best practices to the new people. That can only be accomplished if we aren't churning through the office holders every 3rd or 4th cycle.
Term limits would also increase and entrench the existing bureaucracies, actually limiting our ability to make change. Since each office holder would have to hire a new staff or deal with the existing bureaucracy, those unelected folks would gain more power, more control over the system - with out being accountable to the public via election.
I also think that term limits would increase, not decrease, voter apathy. People could take a "wait them out" approach to politicians. Knowing there is a limit on how long someone can stay in office might reduce the motivation to try to get them out of office earlier.


Now since I don't want to be accuse of not offering any solutions, I'll make some suggestions on what we can do instead of term limits.
First, Limit the gerrymandering that occurs. Don't allow politicians to draw district lines in order to guarantee election. This can be done through legislation or it can be done by getting involved in that process.

Second, most of the (federal) Congressional structure has been created by them. Let's elect people who will change up that system. Especially the system of rewarding loyalty, vote buying, etc with prominent or influential committee positions. Let's create a lottery system that randomly assigns people to the committees. This reduces the power and ability to block legislation, creates opportunities for representatives to learn about different areas. In the business world, this is simply called cross training. Also, we can continue to work on reducing the power of representatives to create earmarks for their district.

Third, we can talk to our representatives. We can let them know what is important to us, not just assume they know. We can't provide ideas, suggestions, even party platform planks. We can let our voices be heard in constructive ways, not just complaining about things we don't like. I've been as guilty of this as anyone. I've only called, written or emailed my representative when they did something I didn't like. Getting used to the idea of regularly communicating with the elected officials takes a little getting used to, but doesn't it give more weight to an idea if the elected officials hear good news from us as well as the bad?

Fourth and most importantly, we can start long before the highest levels of government. We can vote for people who represent the values we share, we can vote for people who will either do as they promise or they don't get elected again. All this can be accomplished at the local, county and even state level.
The state and federal representatives of tomorrow get their start at this level. Most of the local or regional elections are controlled by a very small number of voters. It is easier to influence people on a smaller scale then to try to change their behavior after years in office and at higher levels.


Local elections are fast coming up, do you know what is on the ballot, who you are voting for?

Leave a comment, let me know your opinion.

12 comments:

Weer'd Beard said...

All your points are very valid ones and work best with an involved electorate. Honestly if we could achive somthing close to that we would have no problems at all with our elected representation.

This is one of the big reasons why I still blog on LiveJournal. Probably on Blogger I could get better hits and gain some better gunblogger clout, but with LJ's format I reach a lot of people who aren't nessisarily interested in guns and politics by having me on their friends page, and by me commenting in their journals.

Still being from Massachusetts I see a LOT of entrenched polititions who have used the learning curve for two things: corruption, and name recognition.

Tom Menino is running for his umteenth term as Mayor of Boston. If you aren't familiar with him search him on youtube. You'll think it's a joke. He makes Barney Frank appear articulate.

Speaking of entrenched politions...Frank UK!!!

Personally I'd love to see term limets to keep the blood freash, as well as making solons more interested in getting the job they were hired for done, rather than working hard making sure we rehire them for the same job that they haven't gotten around to actually doing yet.

I wish I could be less of a cynic on this issue but frankly I can't...

Bob S. said...

Weer'd,

I understand your position. I agree with most of the points also. I think that having an uninvolved electorate actually makes it easier to vote people out of the office.

Since the turnout percentages are so low, it doesn't take many people to sway an election.

The other aspect is, are we trying to eat our cake and have it also? If we oppose gun control laws because of the impact on the innocent, shouldn't we oppose term limits for the same reason?

Z@X said...

I'm for term limits, but do see your points.

Illinois is run by career politicians, and I doubt any of them are honest. We have low voter turnouts and the same folks keep getting elected.

Yep, I do vote in all elections.

Bob S. said...

James,

That is what makes the world interesting, the difference in opinions.

Would you mind listing the reason(s) you are for term limits?

tom said...

I've been corresponding with the Kinkster's lead man for a while. Kinkster is going to run pushing term limits and won't be anti-gun in any way shape or form though there are some things we've discussed that I don't know will hurt or help him but on term limits, word from the top is excerpted from our back and forth notes:


Your points are noted. Speaking frankly -- and my boss Kinky Friedman insists I do -- every politician has to make exactly the determination you describe. Does he simply want to be elected, or does he want to be elected while holding true to his beliefs? My own observation is most all politicians go into it for pretty good reasons, but more often than not, where they lose their center is in the reelection process. Another good argument for term limits.

Another component is of course the will of the people. By way of your examples: it's clear from polls that an overwhelming majority of Texans believe in the death penalty, and believe their guns are exactly that: theirs. Kinky is himself altogether Texan (as I am), and he gets that. He also knows his job, if elected, is to represent the will of the majority -- that is literally the job description.
Thought you might find this of interest. (See! Sometimes I can say nice things about people on the net, too!)

Shy Wolf said...

I can agree with not imposing term limits, but there are some further aspects of regulations for politicians that should be enacted if term limits are not.
Such as wage freeze: they take the job at minimum wage to show they are not in it for the money (however, they should get free room and board while serving). Also, any politician who takes money from a special interest group, or favors from same, is immendiately canned, his seat left vacant til the next election. Reason for that: the state would lose one vote so they'd stop and think more about electing honest people, do more vetting of their reps.
Next, they do not get lifetime insurance, only while they're in office. Along with this, they do not get lifetime wages, again, only while in office and upon leavnig, they can collect unemployment comp while seeking another job.
Every senator and congress critter should have to read every bill and take a quiz on its contents before voting on it.
Also, they should each be required to read the Constitution and pass a test on its contents and what they mean, study the Bill of Rights and explain the meaning of each. Then they should be allowed to take the oath of office.
Shy III
Hmmm...the verification word is 'f-i-n-e-s'... which brings to mind another thing that should happen if and when any politician goes against the grain of the majority of their constituents: fine them.

Shy Wolf said...

Oh, sorry- one more ting: mandatory retirement should be a law for politicians. We have too many in office now who've been there four or five decades and still get nothing accomplished.
Shy III

Bob S. said...

Tom,

Great comments from the Kinky campaign. (that should generate some interesting search results).

I will look into his stances on the issues. Might not do Texas any harm to get someone a little off center into the office.

Bob S. said...

Shywolf,

Not sure if I would agree with minimum wage but I like the idea. One I heard was that the representative would make the median income level of his/her district.

Next, they do not get lifetime insurance, only while they're in office. Along with this, they do not get lifetime wagesI think their insurance should be tied to the same system as the military. Spend 20 years in office and then they go through the VA system. Bet that gets some attention to the care our veterans are getting tuit sweet.

Love the idea on the testing before voting for a bill. Let's make it also so if they don't pass the test they don't vote...and every bill needs a 75% of the membership quorum voting on it to pass.

Great ideas. Keep them coming.

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Z@X said...

My reasons for wanting term limits? Well, they are born more from childish frustration than critical thinking.

1) I don't like paying the retirement and health benefits many career politicians enjoy. Since retirements are based on years of service, cutting the years of service could trim some fat.

2) I will admit that I feel term limits would be a balance against our low voter turnouts. Some argue that low turnouts are an accurate sampling of "the will of the people." I'm not convinced.

3) The machine politics in Illinois keeps party favorites in office. Some say the machine is by the people for the people; again, I am not convinced. Too many of our lifetime politicians wind up in prison.

The term limits for POTUS brings me peace of mind. No matter how bad he / she may be, no matter how strong the machine politics, after a max of eight years they are gone.

In my lifetime have I ever felt a POTUS was worthy of more than two terms in office? As much as I liked RR, it was time to move on.

Bob S. said...

James,

Thanks for answering. I have thought of the positives you've listed but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

There are several compelling reasons to implement term limits, I realize the value of several of the arguments.

In the end, I still have to go against them.