Tell me again how gun control will reduce violence.
United Kingdom - worse rate for all types of VIOLENCE than the USA. United Kingdom with just about every imaginable gun control law...and it is more violent than America...how is that possible.Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.
In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.Not just a little more violent....but over 4 times as violent as the gun filled USA.
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.In America, it is considered to be simple assault so the numbers are a fair comparison. Since these are rates per 100,000 people, it is also a fair comparison.
As I've said repeatedly, it isn't the tool that makes the difference. Let's work on reducing the causes of violent crime, let's work on keeping those who commit violent crimes in prison, let's work on letting people be able legally defend themselves without myriad of hassles to do so.
Those things will reduce violent crime, not gun control.
(h/t to SayUncle)
23 comments:
Bob, You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. Those figures don't match some that you yourself have offered us before from the FBI.
Hey, cherry season is over.
MikeB,
This is from the country that routinely did not report crime.
It isn't cherry picking, it is confirmation of previous data.
I've shown time and time again that the United Kingdom had violent crime rates higher than America.
IF you can, disprove it. FIND EVIDENCE showing that these numbers and others aren't valid.
MikeB, Sucks to be 100% wrong doesn't it?
Good Show, Bob. Of course Mike likely would deny that water is wet if it suited his agenda.
I'm sure he'll come up with some cooked numbers to refute you. Then we'll actually SHOW how the numbers are cooked.
It's a wonder why our side is winning!
That's your problem right there, Weer'd, or at least that's one of them. You think in terms of our side and your side. Gun control advocates are not your enemy. We what the same thing you do, we just have a different way of going about it.
The true enemy is the criminal gun owners (and the famous 10% of you guys).
The true enemy is the criminal gun owners (and the famous 10% of you guys)
No Mike, irresponsible gun owners, even criminally irresponsible ones are NOT my enemy unless they directly attack me or my property.
They are not attempting to eviscerate my 2nd Amendment rights and my natural right to self-defense. You and your ilk are the ones doing that and you have only yourselves to blame for it.
MikeB,
What a hypocrite!!
You say that Weer'd thinks in terms of sides...then you turn around and accuse 10% of our friends, family, and fellow gun owners of being criminals.
Hypocrite.
You say it isn't about sides...yet you freely admit you want to curtail my rights...without curtailing your own rights.
Going to give up blogging-- after all it isn't NEEDED and it might prevent child pron crime (now known as CPC. Going to let the government inspect your computer, your cell phone, your home anytime to prevent CPC -- that is a proposal floated to prevent firearm related crime.
You say the data is "cherry picked" but when challenged to provide evidence you try to distract.
As far as the numbers not matching what has been offered before...ever here of new information....new YEARS of information becoming available?
Where is the EVIDENCE the data cited by the British Press -- which got them from the British government -- are not valid?
Show evidence of how the numbers are inaccurate!!
Remember Bob, if the facts don't match what MikeB believes he just screams "Ewww!, get those icky facts away from me!!" and dismisses them immediately.
Can't have his worldview challenged by reality
MikeB fucked up again, I am a THREE PERCENTER not a ten percenter. We're pretty famous too and a lot of gun owners don't like us either (except when we're building them custom firearms and making parts for them). I just sent some pistol project parts to a fellow in Indiana that's military and doesn't entirely agree with my politics, but he doesn't mind the parts either, I'll reckon.
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MikeB,
Still waiting for that evidence the numbers aren't accurate???
You've posted a couple of times on your blog...so I know you are online.
Where is your evidence Sir?
Gun control advocates are not your enemy....
Yes you are. You want to make it harder for us to defend ourselves using the best tools available to us. Stop frakkin' insulting our intelligence.
+1 Pistolero!
We both CLAIM to want lower violence, less crime, and a safer happier world.
Only one of us have been proven again (repeatedly, and without rebuttal that doesn't involve logical fallacies, or subjective responses) to be correct.
Many gun control advocates are simply ignorant of this.
They're ignorant of this tho because of people like MikeB, Paul Helmke, "The Gun Guys" (and other shills for the Joyce Foundation), various anti-gun politicians, and others who KNOW the truth, and intentionally hide it for various nefarious reasons.
These people want more crime (and use it to justify more of their agenda) they want more death (and use it to justify more of their agenda) they want more accidents (and use it to justify more of their agenda) and they want more people dealing illegally in guns (and use it to justify more of their agenda)
Hell MikeB himself was involved in the Black market for some of his guns. He won't talk about it anymore (tho there was a time when he was very loose with this information) and he erases any comments on his blog that might mention his criminal past.
Here's a man who knows first hand how guns get into the hands of dangerous people, and how violent crime happens...yet he stays quiet.
He stays quiet because while it would help society and his fellow man, it would hurt his agenda, and could potentially land him in hot water.
He sees himself and his dogma as more important than all our rights and lives.
That is the activity of my enemy and I will not stop until you are all flushed into the outskirts of humanity with other anti-social criminals, such as White Supremacists, violent radicals, gangs, and child pornographers.
You are no different than them, MikeB, in my eyes, or the eyes of anybody who can think rationally.
Those figures don't match some that you yourself have offered us before from the FBI.
Could it be that the FBI numbers are now out of date, you halfwit moron? Furthermore, who will have more accurate numbers for Great Britain - the FBI (whose realm of jurisdiction is the United States - the CIA is for international affairs), or the European Commission, under whose jurisdiction is Great Britain?
There is certainly no "cherry-picking" going on, but there certainly is a lot of MikeB shoving his fingers in his ears and humming a lot...
Gun control advocates are not your enemy.
Bullshit.
"Gun control advocates" want to strip me of my rights. "Gun control advocates" want to empower, aid, and abet criminals by disarming law-abiding citizens. "Gun control advocates" want to turn America into a perfect mirror of England, with positively disasterous violent crime rates. "Gun control advocates" have no regard for a human's natural right to self-defense and self-preservation.
For those reasons, and countless more, "gun control advocates" like MikeB are my enemy, and the enemy of any pro-rights individuals. Attempting to frame the argument in any other circumstances is outright lying, at very best.
Weer'd, You're a pathetic liar. "Pathetic" because you're obsessed with me and my past, and "liar" because when you say "there was a time when he was very loose with this information," it's just not true. The fact is, I mentioned that only once, then you took it up like a mantra.
Since you've got a good audience here and on your own blog of supportive readers, who like Linoge, think I'm the enemy, I challenge you to copy and paste a few times when I was "loose" with this info about my past.
I suppose you think when you're dealing with "the enemy" you don't have to bother with the truth. Remember this one?
"because when you say "there was a time when he was very loose with this information," it's just not true. The fact is, I mentioned that only once, then you took it up like a mantra."
OK, Mike, that isn't true, but I don't feel like digging through archives to prove a point you'll just ignore anyway. So let's say you talked about your illegal guns once.
Were you telling the truth, or lying about them?
Also MikeB, I talk about black market crime guns, and where known criminals get firearms, and you have the GALL to counter with my personal experience of vandalism of street signs. (Which is true, but just my personal experience...but even if I was lying who fucking cares? Also you keep dredging that dumb issue up, while you claim I'm obsessed).
So people who should never get guns, getting them despite laws, and where those guns come from...and holes in a speed sign.
You are the enemy to all things good, MikeB.
At least you're obvious about. I noticed over at your blog that you posted the Hemenway study!
Why is it all the numbers you cite are funded by only one group, The Joyce Foundation?
We keep pointing it out, and you keep riposting the same crap funded by the anti-gun lobby!
You may be evil, MikeB, but at least you're also stupid.
Then again most Evil people hurt themselves far more than others, so I guess stupidity is a requirement for fools like you.
And in the mean time, MIKEB isn't showing any proof that the numbers provided by the British government are "fudged".
Why aren't you providing that information MikeB?
Why aren't you showing that the information has been falsified?
Why aren't you showing that gun controlled England isn't 4 times as violent as America?
You're a pathetic liar, Weer'd. You're good at turning the tables and changing the focus of the discussion. It doesn't change what you are, though.
Again, name calling, but no substance.
Also, Mike didn't answer my question if he in fact owned guns illegally, or is a liar.
Try again.
You're as predictable as you are evil and stupid, Mike. Happy Kiddie Porn Surfing!
MikeB,
I might have to implement your style of comment moderation if you keep this up.
You want respect, you want people not to call names, yet you engage in that exact behavior.
You avoid addressing the issues, preferring to attack individuals.
Weer'd raised valid points; you know about breaking the law. So either answer his points, prove his contention wrong or ignore it. Calling names might just get you banned :>
Not really but I reserve the right to do with MY BLOG as I like.
Now, address the issues and stop calling people names. Especially names you don't want to be called despite PROOF that you have lied.
You're as predictable as you are evil and stupid, Mike. Happy Kiddie Porn Surfing!
Weer'd, you're my hero, dude. That's near Tam-level snark rat there. ;-)
Thanks, Dude! That second cup of tea in the morning and the cat is out of the fucking bag!
Glad you enjoyed. We know Mike's reading it right now from North Jersey, but he'll pretend to first see it an be spitting mad tommora morning.
Also he won't address the gun issue on any substance, and he will call me a name.
I can't wait! Guess what webpage I'll read first durring cup #1?
Nothing new under the sun for MikeB... he makes baseless allegations and accusations, completely fails to back them up with anything even approximating facts or reality, and then resorts to childish and churlish namecalling and hissy fits.
Pass the Turing Test, MikeB does not.
LOL! Linoge wins Comment of the Day
Pass the Turing Test, MikeB does not.
In the meantime, we still wait for MikeB to provide any evidence the statistics from the United Kingdom have been cooked, skewed, cherry picked or otherwise manipulated.
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